Did you know Adam before you signed up for The Big Short?
I’d not met Adam, but he just called me, you know, he’s obsessed with the financial crisis, and he’s a very engaging guy. I really drank the Kool-Aid when it comes to Adam, he’s the shit. And I loved the idea that the guy who had done all of the Will Ferrell films was going to be tackling this. And when he sent me the script, I just fell for it. I did some research on Mike Burry, and looked at some interviews, and read lots of things, and thought, Absolutely. He’s a wonderful character. And I then went and met Mike, and it turns out he’s a wonderful person as well.
Michael Lewis said your performance, the way you mirrored Burry’s affect, was “borderline creepy.”
That’s so nice of him. I had the best time with Mike Burry. He’s clearly a brilliant man. But he is also an incredibly heartfelt, very sincere man. When we started, it was very early in the morning. We had coffee, and we talked nonstop until was dark. About absolutely everything under the sun. It was a very interesting day, far more for me than it was for him. He is just such an engaging man, and so unusual, and somebody who I became incredibly fond of. And unfortunately I won’t be able to make the New York premiere because I’ll be here working, but I’m hoping he can make it to the L.A. premiere, because I really want to sit next to him and see if he’s going to punch me in the face.
It’s interesting to me that you describe Burry as engaging and charming, since those are not words you usually associate with people on the autism spectrum. Or high-finance people, for that matter.
He is one of the most sincere people I have ever met. And at the same time as having such an incredible mind, he feels immensely, for the information he gathers, for the situation of the markets.
I was talking to one of the editors on the film and he said, “You know, Mike Burry is not a good guy. He did a very bad thing, by creating this credit-default swap.”
Yeah, but hold on. Not being a good guy is not the same as being a bad guy. In this story, we aren’t presenting an unrealisitic portrayal. These people made an immense amount of money, of course they did. Nobody in the story is a hero. But Mike at least did shout and scream, and nobody really listened, and as the film says at the end, he called the authorities. He wanted for there to be something gained from this, but nobody really paid attention to him. From my experience with him, he is a real philanthropist, and he has immensely sincere feelings about the imbalance of the market and how it is rigged against every man. And he doesn’t just recognize that in a cerebral manner, he feels that. And it’s one of the things that made me like him so very much. This is not just facts and figures to him. He knows completely the emotions this involves, and what this meant to so many different people. I have to actually kind of restrain myself in talking about him, because he gave me access with sort of a tacit agreement that this was privacy. But I was so impressed with the man on an emotional level with what it meant to him, and his own very concise and very deep thoughts about the market and the situation that we are in now. Although for me to describe that to you would be completely laughable. The only thing I can compare it with is the research I did for American Psycho. I met with a lot of guys on Wall Street, and the difference between those gentlemen — and I use that word very loosely — and Mike is just solar systems apart.
This is not the first time that you’ve portrayed a real person and gotten close with him in real life. I remember reading that you had gotten really close with the guy you played in The Fighter.
It’s happened for me a few times. You’re talking about about Dickie, who I am still in touch with, and Dickie’s son as well. And Mel from American Hustle. I find there’s a freedom in playing a real character because, unlike with fictional characters, you have evidence: When you present something to a director and they say, “What are you doing?” You can go, “Look, this is what the guy’s like,” and they can’t argue with you. Whereas when it’s entirely fictional, they look at you like you are trying to steal the scene. Like, “This is too much, this is over the top.” When you are dealing with a real person, it’s the most satisfying and freeing acting I’ve ever felt.
Do you ever feel conflicted, when you meet a real person and like them, about portraying their less-admirable characteristics?
No, whenever I meet with somebody I am going to portray, I always start the conversation by saying that they have to accept that there is no interesting story that glamorizes everybody. There’s no character there. I went through that with Mel, and with Dickie, and with Mike as well. It’s about truth as much as possible, although of course we are taking some license because we are packing this all into a very short amount of time, but the goal is to stay as true as possible in within that license. And you know, I don’t know if I could be so trusting, if someone was telling my life story, I would feel very vulnerable. But they were all very adventurous with that idea and accepted it.
Wait, can we go back to what you just said about American Psycho? Remind me what your research process was like for that, and who you met, and how it differed?
Someone introduced me to this group of young guys, and I spent quite a lot of time with them. I went on the trading floor, and to offices, and then we went out for the evenings, and I have no idea where we went, I couldn’t tell you, but it was disturbing. That was a lesson to me in how much people want you to be the character that you are playing. All I had to do was sit back and be quiet, and people will blur the lines between character and person. And hearing and witnessing this complete misunderstanding of the book. Seeing that firsthand, sitting until the early hours in the morning partying with people who believed I was that character. [Laughs.]
And hanging out with you anyway.
No, no, no, no. Not “and hanging out with me, anyway,” but hanging out with me because of that. Because they believed that to be the case. And I didn’t encourage anything, I just stayed quiet and let it all reveal itself in front of me. And it was fascinating. And it was nauseating. But very entertaining.
So I guess you’re not in touch with those people.
God, no. No way. Those were some of the most dangerous people I have ever come across in my life.